Slappy,
The point is this: There is good tube gear out there, and these sales people at your local retail stores, and electronic ignorants ( who are educated beyond their own intelligence ) are living in the past. They are still giving us the same sales pitch SS promoted, when all the mainstream stereo manufacturers gave us when they made the switch to SS.
Tube equipment is more pleasing to the ear, is just that simple. SS gear is irritating to the ear, I don't care if it is Kell, Plinus, Levinson, ARC, or who ever. The fact is this, your ears are irradiated by SS gear. Maybe one won't notice if only listening for a short while. But hours of listening does produce a slight irritation on SS gear.
Also the mass market must tell you that tube gear just plain sucks. And they must brain-wash their sales people into thinking this. If they didn't then millions of people would be crying for tube gear again. And we certainly couldn't have that now, could we? I think ( just like in my case ) if we lined people up and gave them a listen to good tube gear. There would be a major revival on the audio market.
Jax2,
Please kindly watch your mouth, I find your profanity appalling This is a audio forum, not your local bar :) |
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I here this talk all the time. And an even better one I hear is " We're not running a mom and pop store here "
In fact I got so sick of hearing these ignorant statements from unqualified individuals. I finally wagered with a guy at a local Circuit City store. I brought him over to my house and let him hear my system. I don't think I have ever seen anyone sit my their mouth held wide open for such a long time.
Take this unqualified gent to a high-end audio dealer. Sit him in front a good tube system, and watch him eat crow! |
Jax2,
I find your sarcasm both annoying and refreshing. An oxymoron I know. But life is an oxymoron, or better still a paradox. Yet I continue in my passion, and also my obssesion to find the truth.
The fact that you choose to use profanity is of course YOUR choice. but it is also the CHOICE of the people around you not to hear IT. This is after all a community site, and you have no right to impose your profanity on people here. No more than you have the right to smoke a cigarette in a public establishment.
But of course I know how you are feeling about me BEING OFFENDED by your profanity. I once employed the use of profanity in my life. And of course I was quite offended when people were offended to my use of it. The same way I was offended when someone was offended by my cigarette smoke. I couldn't understand how someone could be offended by my choice of words, or my cigarette smoke until I decided to stop using vulgar language, and stopped smoking. Then I could easily see how both were offensive.
I'm sure there are things in your life that other people do, that you find offensive? But perhaps if you talk to them, they don't find them offensive, nor can they understand why you find them offensive.
Well, I won't comment any further. If you want to continue this theme, maybe you should read the " forum guide lines "
peace........ |
Jax2,
"' annoying and refreshing " is exactly what I wanted to say. Annoying because sarcasm is in fact " annoying " Refreshing because I to have a bit of sarcasm in me, and I have found that people with a bit of sarcasm have spunk. I like people with spunk!! I don't however consider myself to be a person " in a gray flannel suit " quite the opposite. My life never has a dull moment!!! I have no doubt Jax2, that even though I find your language offensive ( and I don't drink beer, but I don't mind if you do ) your sarcasm is accompanied by humor as well. Yes I have no doubt, face-to-face I could call you friend.
I will not ( and do not avoid anyone's ) your posts. I prefer to respect all people's opinions, but I reserve the right to tell them my opinion about how they offended me.
Slappy, I will take your comments about my elevating ME over everyone else. I WILL do some SELF-reflection at the very heart. However!!! as the saying goes: "" It takes one, to know one " I hope your not squirming in your chair to much :)
keep it coming ( umm the posts, not the profanity ) Jax2. I enjoy your thoughts!!!
SS is a gray flannel suit!!! |
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It never ceases to amaze me, how the heated threads that stray far from the original persons intent. And turn into insults towards one's personal character, seem to be the threads that last the longest. The guy that started this thread is probably wondering if started WWW3. It never ceases to amaze me how people get completely torqued about someone else's opinion differing from theirs. And what's more is they quickly judge another person's words or character by reading what this person typed. Hmmmmmmm I hope our next job interviewer grants us more grace :)
Slappy, allow me to give you a DEFINITE statement. I am definitely appreciative that have enough confidence in me to speak freely about my character. I will not turn and bite you like a scorpion would :) I am still standing here, waiting to hear what you have to say. As far as a little strange? You might be right, but let me remind you of this. We can only use ourselves to judge another, this is what determines what is " normal or strange " so based on what is ticking inside of you, I am strange. I think the best description I have heard on normal: " It's a cycle on your dryer " Another thought on how we judge is best shared with the way a radio signal is sent. It all depends on the condition of the receiver, and the condition of the sender. If either is on the wrong channel, you have major problems!
Marco, what I said to Slappy, I say to you. Your free to say what you want, am I?
Getting back to tube vs SS. SS does produce distortion!!! I have been a technician long enough to know that every piece of electronic equipment does produce distortion of some kind. And SS does produce fatigue, maybe small enough that you quickly explain it on something else in your life. Is SS more accurate? When BAT first came onto the market their goal was to have SS and tube gear that sounded the same. CJ is another that comes to mind, their SS gear sounds like tube and visa versa.
Oh yes, film is still more accurate than digital. Ask any good photographer :) |
Gunbei,
I have both a digital and a SLR camera. " I have the best of both worlds. As far as getting a neg or chrome to res up? The retoucher need not worry. I do it myself... A little work but so are tubes :)
Slappy, if your still reading. It is cool if you enjoy SS gear. I once employed a SS amp with a tube pre. Not to bad, in fact give it a try some time. The best of both worlds if you just cant decide.
You like the Bronocs? That's cool, but I like the Broncos Cheifs and the Raiders. In fact I like most NFL teams. I think most of the time I try to realize that these teams are actually men just like you and me. They get up, put their pants on and go to work. They probally turn on their tube system first thing ( sorry I couldn't resist )
Well actually I think most of them own high buck SS systems.
peace... |
